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Can Letterman Beat The Clock?

Can Letterman Beat the Clock?

There's been no shortage of talk about whether David Letterman could face sexual harassment lawsuits in light of his admission that he's had sexual relations with employees.

To be sure, no women have complained publicly of harassment at Worldwide Pants -- in fact, the reports we've read so far are from female employees who have been happy to work for -- and socialize with -- Letterman. But his admission eliminates a typical hurdle in these cases: a standard defense for a sexual harassment claim is to simply deny that the behavior happened. Letterman's admission eases that concern for a potential plaintiff.

Still, other significant hurdles remain, and they are worth noting as speculation builds that an aggrieved employee (or former employee) might seek an easy payday.

First, proving a sexual harassment claim requires a showing not only that the offended employee felt harassed; she also must prove that a reasonable employee would have been offended by behavior at the office. The defense can seek testimony from happy employees to counter that evidence.

Then, there's the calendar. There are time limits on both federal and state sexual harassment claims. In New York, for example, state or city claims must be brought within three years from the date of the last harassing activity. Federal claims have a 300-day time limit. This means that employees long gone from Letterman's office can't surface with claims. (They can try to sue on other grounds, including emotional distress, but a judge obviously would consider the timing, which would seem opportunistic.)

And a plaintiff in a sex harassment claim has to be prepared to endure a robust defense that ordinarily includes a rigorous examination of her own character. The defense can and will seek medical and gynecological records and even therapy notes to search for weaknesses in the complaining woman's work performance and mental state. This is not a claim for a woman who wants to maintain her privacy.

Still, sexual harassment laws are serious and serve an important function. When a jury hears a claim and believes it, the results can be lucrative for the victim and embarrassing for the defendants, as the New York Knicks can attest. While it's entirely possible that David Letterman may find himself named in a sexual harassment suit, safeguards exist in New York and in federal law to test that claim against the real work environment at Worldwide Pants.

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I was horrified at the statement in this article that an aggrieved employee would seek an "easy payday." Apparently, Ms. Green has never been in, or known anyone, who has been in an environment where sexual harassment exists. Let me educate her. First of all, the woman tries to play off the advances and try to keep her job. After all, there are bills to pay and often children to support. She may even be involved with someone else. The man in the management position may even be funny and charming and certainly rich, but his power is the main issue. To turn him down may have consequences. No matter how careful she may be, he may be reckless or worse. He may brag to others. Eventually, others in the office know. Every positive thing that happens for the woman is believed to be due to her relationship. If negative things happen to anyone else, it is assumed that it is because they are not involved in a similar relationship. This becomes the hostile work environment. When the relationship ends, no matter who initiates it, the reprisals begin. Even if the woman tries to put the relationship behind her, things begin to happen to her. Assignments are either taken away or piled on. Anything that will force her to trip up or to quit. This is especially true for someone who has been a good employee with nothing negative in her file. Reasons to fire or demote her have to be manufactured. So eventually the woman either loses or quits her job. Since this is so unfair, the woman may seek the help of Human Resources. After all, they claim to promote a harassment -free work environment. This is very naive because, they will almost always protect the boss over some lowly worker. So now, the woman has lost her livelihood and another position is very difficult to find since she can't use her former employer as a reference and it is hard to explain why she left or was fired without raising red flags to any prospective employer. So she files a lawsuit. This must be where Ms. Green's "easy payday" begins. After years of depositions, releases of all medical and financial records, and trying to live without a job, the case goes to trial. I don't know which is worse, watching the judge joke around with the defendant and his council in front of the jury, (powerful people tend to support one another) or listening to former co-workers lie under oath. Afterward, they tearfully apologize and tell the woman that they felt forced to lie because they just didn't want what happened to her to happen to them. The jury of six people {one of whom, the foreman, had his eyes closed for most of the trial) decides that she really was fired for cause. So the woman loses her career, her ability to get another job and, most importantly, any belief that justice and honesty exists. That sounds like an "easy payday" to me. This is not just one story, but one of many. Ms. Green should retract her statement and apologize to women who have been in these hostile work environments and she should look to the real world before making such statements in the future.

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    Reply#1 - Wed Oct 7, 2009 1:01 AM EDT
    {"commentId":9924802,"authorDomain":"ktandnt"}

    I think she mean't that New York's laws are such that they prevent an easy payday, I don't think that she was neccessarily infering that anyone who would file against him is simply seeking one...

    It would be more like a woman in Dave's office whom he didn't sleep with, but felt that she had been discriminated against because she didn't sleep with him. The question would be that did she re-buff Dave's advances, or was it that Dave never tried? It quickly falls into a sticky quagmire of he/said, she/said, He thought/ She thought.

    And the one point that Lisa makes that I tend to agree with would be timing. And I do believe a judge would conisider a greater bruden of proof since any action taken now could easily be percieved as trying to 'cash in', where as a woman who realy had such feelings and perceptions would have been more likely to come forward sooner.

    While I completely respect that some abuses can be reason enough to not want to come forward, I think the point that Lisa Green was trying to make is that 'An easy Payday' would be anything but easy because of the light that Letterman has shined on himself.

    It is always bad news when you dip your pen where you dip your pen, and I strongly beleive that MOST of the people who work for Dave feel that everything was OK,

    But, there will always... always... always, be that one person who didn't. And I think Lisa's point was that it will be this one person who is not in for an 'easy payday', as it appears that New York's legal system will make it anything but easy...

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    Reply#2 - Wed Oct 7, 2009 2:23 PM EDT
    {"commentId":9955542,"authorDomain":"susan-z120"}

    I have no idea what evidence you have that supports your belief that most of the people who work for Letterman feel that everything was OK. If I felt discriminated or harassed by him, I would not want to be the one who takes on such a powerful and, as of now, popular person. I would tell any reporter at this time that everything is fine. I would value my job too much and I would be worried about being blackballed in my industry if I came forward. Absence of complaints does NOT prove that all is or was well.

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      Reply#3 - Thu Oct 8, 2009 10:26 PM EDT
      {"commentId":9996858,"authorDomain":"ktandnt"}

      My evidence, admittedly circumstantial, is that in todays society, even a 'small' story sells books, get mini-series, or at least 15 minutes of fame.

      With all the press that this has attracted, it seems to me that someone would take the opprotunity to try to get rich, get famous, or at least settle a grudge. Or, in the best of cases, allow a civil forum for any victims to possibly feel that coming forward will help to prove a case that before may have felt unteniable...

      Nothing of what I said was meant to detract from the horrible situations that some women have gone through. But I was simply stating that until someone comes forward, we really don't know if there are anymore victims, other than Dave's reputation...

      While what Dave did may be percieved as wrong by some people, what the producer did was worse. If the producer was altruistically concerned about his fellow female employees, trying to extort $2,000,000 dollars is absolutely no way to help to advance women's rights. If anything it detracts from the arguement.

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      #3.1 - Sat Oct 10, 2009 12:04 PM EDT
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